Friday, December 21, 2007

Quiz time 2

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And what about this one? There is not so much to it so I'll give you front and back (or is it back and front?).

8 comments

  1. Here's my options:

    The top (front) one is the Jn. 19.17-18 -
    ὃ λέγεται Ἑ]β̣ραϊστὶ Γ̣[ολγοθα, ὅπου αὐτὸν
    ἐσταύρωσα]ν, καὶ με̣[τ᾿ αὐτοῦ ἄλλους
    δύ]ο ἐντεῦ[θεν καὶ ἐντεῦθεν,

    Bottom (back) Jn. 19.25-26 -
    Μαγδαληνή] Ῑς̄ οὖν ϊ[δὼν τὴν μητέρα
    καὶ τὸν μα]θητὴν π̣[αρεστῶτα ὃν
    ἠγάπα λέ]γ̣ει τῇ μ̄ρ̄̈̈[ῑ̣ γύναι, ἴδε ὁ ῡς̄ σου.

    Line spacing just my approximations.

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  2. (although entered in unicode, none of my diacritical marks showed up in my browser when I posted the comment) so here it is without...

    The top (front) one is the Jn. 19.17-18 -
    ὃ λέγεται Ἑ]βραϊστὶ Γ[ολγοθα, ὅπου αὐτὸν
    ἐσταύρωσα]ν, καὶ με[τ᾿ αὐτοῦ ἄλλους
    δύ]ο ἐντεῦ[θεν καὶ ἐντεῦθεν,

    Bottom (back) Jn. 19.25-26 -
    Μαγδαληνή] Ῑς οὖν ϊ[δὼν τὴν μητέρα
    καὶ τὸν μα]θητὴν π[αρεστῶτα ὃν
    ἠγάπα λέ]γει τῇ μρ[ι γύναι, ἴδε ὁ ῡς σου.

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  3. Rick, nice work. I'm not saying yours is wrong, but in the top image the rho (of BRAISTI) does not match your rho in the bottom image (MR[I]). (Could the nomen sacrum be MI [without rho]?)Also, after your BRAISTI in the top image, the next letter, to me, seems to be a rounded one, maybe an epsilon? But I can't see how Jn 19.20f. would fit, certainly not as well as your Jn 19.17-18, anyway. With several variants for this passage, I'm not certain enough yet.

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  4. in the top image the rho (of BRAISTI) does not match your rho in the bottom image (MR[I]). (Could the nomen sacrum be MI [without rho]?)

    It's faint, but if you zoom in the Ρ is definitely plausible. The nomina sacra could be rendered differently, but from the other options I saw in the apparatus, the ρ was constant.

    Also, after your BRAISTI in the top image, the next letter, to me, seems to be a rounded one, maybe an epsilon?

    The letter you mention is questionable, but an epsilon doesn't seem possible. I'd have to see another example of a Γ by this same hand to agree with you here, which we don't have.

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  5. JCB: the rho (of BRAISTI) does not match your rho in the bottom image (MR[I])

    I think that if you click on the photos to enlarge and look very closely at the bottom MP[I] you will see the remnants of the same type of Rho as appears in [E]BRAISTI.

    And the bottom text is clearly Jn 19:25-26 as noted by Rick.

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  6. Wow, so enlarging the photo really does help. Thanks!

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  7. Good work Rick.

    I would change your line 2 on the top to render it as a nomen sacrum (note the over bar):
    ESTR]N KAI ME[T ...

    This might also make the line lengths a bit more consistent - there is an obvious problem in your transcription that line 2 has 9 letters missing to the left, while line 3 has only 2.

    The bottom piece has some traces of a top line that might bit able to fit something like: TOU KLWPA

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  8. It is a good size lower margin too.

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