Friday, December 21, 2007

Quiz time 2

And what about this one? There is not so much to it so I'll give you front and back (or is it back and front?).

8 Comments:

Rick said...

Here's my options:

The top (front) one is the Jn. 19.17-18 -
ὃ λέγεται Ἑ]β̣ραϊστὶ Γ̣[ολγοθα, ὅπου αὐτὸν
ἐσταύρωσα]ν, καὶ με̣[τ᾿ αὐτοῦ ἄλλους
δύ]ο ἐντεῦ[θεν καὶ ἐντεῦθεν,

Bottom (back) Jn. 19.25-26 -
Μαγδαληνή] Ῑς̄ οὖν ϊ[δὼν τὴν μητέρα
καὶ τὸν μα]θητὴν π̣[αρεστῶτα ὃν
ἠγάπα λέ]γ̣ει τῇ μ̄ρ̄̈̈[ῑ̣ γύναι, ἴδε ὁ ῡς̄ σου.

Line spacing just my approximations.

Rick said...

(although entered in unicode, none of my diacritical marks showed up in my browser when I posted the comment) so here it is without...

The top (front) one is the Jn. 19.17-18 -
ὃ λέγεται Ἑ]βραϊστὶ Γ[ολγοθα, ὅπου αὐτὸν
ἐσταύρωσα]ν, καὶ με[τ᾿ αὐτοῦ ἄλλους
δύ]ο ἐντεῦ[θεν καὶ ἐντεῦθεν,

Bottom (back) Jn. 19.25-26 -
Μαγδαληνή] Ῑς οὖν ϊ[δὼν τὴν μητέρα
καὶ τὸν μα]θητὴν π[αρεστῶτα ὃν
ἠγάπα λέ]γει τῇ μρ[ι γύναι, ἴδε ὁ ῡς σου.

jonathanclarkborland said...

Rick, nice work. I'm not saying yours is wrong, but in the top image the rho (of BRAISTI) does not match your rho in the bottom image (MR[I]). (Could the nomen sacrum be MI [without rho]?)Also, after your BRAISTI in the top image, the next letter, to me, seems to be a rounded one, maybe an epsilon? But I can't see how Jn 19.20f. would fit, certainly not as well as your Jn 19.17-18, anyway. With several variants for this passage, I'm not certain enough yet.

Rick said...

in the top image the rho (of BRAISTI) does not match your rho in the bottom image (MR[I]). (Could the nomen sacrum be MI [without rho]?)

It's faint, but if you zoom in the Ρ is definitely plausible. The nomina sacra could be rendered differently, but from the other options I saw in the apparatus, the ρ was constant.

Also, after your BRAISTI in the top image, the next letter, to me, seems to be a rounded one, maybe an epsilon?

The letter you mention is questionable, but an epsilon doesn't seem possible. I'd have to see another example of a Γ by this same hand to agree with you here, which we don't have.

maurice a robinson said...

JCB: the rho (of BRAISTI) does not match your rho in the bottom image (MR[I])

I think that if you click on the photos to enlarge and look very closely at the bottom MP[I] you will see the remnants of the same type of Rho as appears in [E]BRAISTI.

And the bottom text is clearly Jn 19:25-26 as noted by Rick.

jonathanclarkborland said...

Wow, so enlarging the photo really does help. Thanks!

Peter M. Head said...

Good work Rick.

I would change your line 2 on the top to render it as a nomen sacrum (note the over bar):
ESTR]N KAI ME[T ...

This might also make the line lengths a bit more consistent - there is an obvious problem in your transcription that line 2 has 9 letters missing to the left, while line 3 has only 2.

The bottom piece has some traces of a top line that might bit able to fit something like: TOU KLWPA

Peter M. Head said...

It is a good size lower margin too.