Saturday, June 12, 2021

ECM Mark and More on the Way

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Here’s some happy news out of Muenster: “The ECM of Mark is currently being printed and will be available soon.” I think there is an SBL session on the Mark data. (That reminds me I need to register for SBL.) You can see the initial book listing here which gives July 26 as the release date. More from Muenster:

After the ECM of the Gospel of Mark appears in print, we’ll upload a list of textual changes and split guiding lines online. Like Acts, there will be an online textual commentary, a digital version on the NTVMR, the CBGM (with downloadable docker container), and the Patristic citations database.

We hope these resources will guide readers to better understand the data behind the editions and can provide a solid starting place for further research to take place. Now that a Docker container is available for Acts, anyone can now experiment with the CBGM, which may be the best way to learn how the method works firsthand.
Don’t miss that last sentence. The CBGM has a version you can edit yourself (albeit with some tech know-how). The “black box” is open for anyone with enough motivation to explore it.

18 comments

  1. Great news! All just in time for my birthday too.

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  2. Book Depository lists it at 10% off

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  3. Is there an estimated date for the launch of NA29 & UBS6?

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  4. Alexander Thomson6/13/2021 1:07 pm

    What, will the line stretch out to the crack of doom?
    Another yet! A seventh! I'll see no more:
    And yet the eighth appears, who bears a glass
    Which shows me many more.....

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  5. Alexander Thomson6/19/2021 7:17 pm

    Alas! as a private individual, I simply cannot afford volumes at such prices! Once the whole New Testament is completed, I shall need a mortgage to buy the series!

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    1. To be fair, a group of 3 books at just over £150 is still much cheaper than anything from Brill :)

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    2. Alexander Thomson6/20/2021 11:56 am

      Yes...but, though it's cheaper than the notorious costs from Brill, it's still beyond the range of private students. and the total cost of getting all the New Testament in the end! The same is true of the Old Testament BHQ series. The serious private student is being abandoned.

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    3. With the whole critical text and apparatus being a few free clicks away via the VMR? (Not to mention the CBGM data, graphs, etc.) Has the serious private student ever had so much data available to them at such a low (that is, 0) cost? At least for Mark and Acts.

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    4. Alexander Thomson6/25/2021 7:35 pm

      I was thinking of printed books, which some of us still prefer.

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    5. unless you are a pirate and then you will find a way

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  6. For all practical purposes, those who prefer the critical text will suffer no harm from continuing to use NA27 or NA28, especially since—if necessary—they can simply mark the ECM changes from the online list in their editions, either among the existing apparatus readings that are (presumably) already present in those editions,or in the margin (if new conjectures are added).

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    1. Alexander Thomson6/20/2021 6:07 pm

      Absolutely! Already there is "customer resistance" by many students to what the perceive to be over-priced and too-frequent editions of their Greek (and Hebrew) Bibles!The number and cost of NA and UBS editions that we have had to buy since 1966! And, on the topic, why cannot NA and UBS now be merged?

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  7. Has anybody succeeded in actually ordering a copy/set?

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    1. I ordered a set for CSNTM, but it hasn't arrived yet.

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    2. Nobody has hinted, so here I ask.

      The ending of Mark, with 1600+ Greek mss. with the ending, and 2 or 3 against ... where does the CBGM land?

      Thanks!

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    3. I can't say, as the copies I ordered haven't arrived yet. It should be remembered though that the CBGM is one of the tools used by the editors, not the editor itself. Ultimately, the CBGM doesn't 'make' decisions—the editors using the CBGM do.

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    4. Right, and awawk CBGM does not even touch critical evidences like early church writers, the Latin texts, and the Syriac texts or grammatical-internal analysis. A very limited endeavor.

      (Although in the Mark ending most of those missing links are massively for authenticity as well.)

      Still, it will be interesting to see how this is handled by CBGM and then to ECM.

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    5. Correct, but even though the CBGM doesn't consider those things, the editors using the CBGM *do*. Again, it's one of the tools they use—not the only one. Calling it a very limited endeavor is like calling a hammer a very limited tool—the person using it has got more tools than just a hammer. The hammer does what it's made to do, other tools do things a hammer was not made to do, but ultimately, it's the person using them that does the work.

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