tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post7739237162646091400..comments2024-03-28T19:21:17.654+00:00Comments on Evangelical Textual Criticism: Leimonos Monastery GNT MSS OnlineP.J. Williamshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04388225485348300613noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-52252193800869200082012-01-07T20:56:13.080+00:002012-01-07T20:56:13.080+00:00Thank-you Markus. Yes, the Liste needs to be corr...Thank-you Markus. Yes, the Liste needs to be corrected on this point.<br />Regarding Revelation, you may be interested in my pdf in the Swanson style of Revelation chapters 1 and 13, collation of 78 Greek MSS and 11 editions. I found a mistake by Hoskier in Rev. 13:13 for MS 2080, as I borrowed the images of 2080 from CSNTM. This pdf is copyable. I hope someone will do other chapters with these same mss. http://bit.ly/tkg2xYDavid Robert Palmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12257792741925263071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-18935293761746576752012-01-05T14:35:57.737+00:002012-01-05T14:35:57.737+00:00Now I am sorry, I didn't see your post until n...Now I am sorry, I didn't see your post until now, too! Thank you for your report on Hoskier's statements. In the meantime, I checked every page of 1757 carefully: It definitively does not contain any portion of the book of Revelation. It contains Acts 2:14-5:5, 5:12-10:4, 10:29-28:31 (fol. 1r-44v), James-Jude completely (fol. 44v-69v), and Romans-Hebrews completely (fol. 70r-180r), but sometimes misbound. I began to type in my index of this MS into the VMR (Muenster). The VMR has old images of 1757 with a quality much worse than the new digital ones - but fol. 137v (Phil 3:8-20) is missing in the new digital images (available in the VMR)! <br />It surely was a good idea of you to make Hoskier II available in Lulu. If someone needs it, I will tell him. I made paper copies of the whole volume some years ago.Markus Lembkenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-10372132238586135402011-06-03T05:50:48.589+01:002011-06-03T05:50:48.589+01:00Sorry, Markus, I did not see your post until now. ...Sorry, Markus, I did not see your post until now. Hoskier says that on p. 608 of volume 1. However, I see that there may be two different mss. called "Apoc. 185," Greg. 1277 and 1757. This happens several times with Revelation. Hoskier on p. 608 equates Apoc. 185 with Leimonos MS 132. Here are the exact words: "Apoc. 185 (Ev. 1277. Ac. 418. P. 484) =Cambridge Univ. add. 3046. [Greg. 185, new 1277. Sod. a 194]. [XI. XII.]. Vacat. The Librarian at Cambridge assures me this MS. does NOT contain the Apoc. [On p. 303 of Scr.-Miller, under Acts 303 (Lesbos TOU LEIMONOS 132) he numbers the Apoc. 185, although it does not appear on p. 326 at the end of the list, which ends there at No. 184. But it does not matter, as it is reported to me in 1912 that the Apoc. has disappeared from the Lesbos MS. 132, having been torn out of the volume]. Leave 185 blank."<br /><br />So, Markus, have you found any Revelation in this MS? Thanks. By the way, I have made Vol. 2 of Hoskier, the apparatus/collation volume, available printed at Lulu, hardbound and paperback. http://bit.ly/jIsJIWDavid Robert Palmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12257792741925263071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-58064821241812883572011-03-23T06:09:28.494+00:002011-03-23T06:09:28.494+00:00Regarding GA 1757: Thank you, David Robert Palmer,...Regarding GA 1757: Thank you, David Robert Palmer, for this hint! Can you say, where Hoskier said that the pages had been torn out? At the moment I am examining each page of this manuscript to check whether there is any passage with text of Revelation (this is necessary because some pages are not in the right order, but misbound); otherwise the Liste is wrong with apr. In a few days I will have a complete index for 1757.Markus Lembkenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-10507778304275355692011-03-21T12:51:52.900+00:002011-03-21T12:51:52.900+00:00These PDF's look fantastic. (Thank you, peopl...These PDF's look fantastic. (Thank you, people at Leimonos Monastery.) <br /><br />So . . . who's going to make the index for all this?<br /><br />Yours in Christ,<br /><br />James Snapp, Jr.James Snapp Jrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09493891380752272603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-12249443805801394002011-03-21T11:13:19.740+00:002011-03-21T11:13:19.740+00:00Thanks Martin, I actually did not know how to do i...Thanks Martin, I actually did not know how to do it, but now I have changed it.Tommy Wassermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674769923361035721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-67472319929626943272011-03-21T10:54:49.527+00:002011-03-21T10:54:49.527+00:00Tommy, you can link directly to the article Ulrich...Tommy, you can link directly to the article Ulrich has written:<br /><a href="http://intf.uni-muenster.de/vmr/NTVMR/IndexNTVMR.php#Leimonos" rel="nofollow">http://intf.uni-muenster.de/vmr/NTVMR/IndexNTVMR.php#Leimonos</a>Martin Fassnachtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-50231847272436216482011-03-20T12:35:19.011+00:002011-03-20T12:35:19.011+00:00I have examined the profiling of these manuscripts...I have examined the profiling of these manuscripts and have concluded the lectionaries are the majority f1424 Phi(b) grouping. Several of the Byzantines are Kr/f35 members with some Kx and mixed Byzantines. <br /><br />The download option and the technology used by the monastery is a model for others to follow. The West is lagging behind this monastery and the NLG-Athens for instance in this type of service to NTTC.<br /><br />In Christ,<br /><br />Paul Anderson<br />President-CSPMT<br />www.cspmt.orgUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03145254303136513631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-61291841773872200112011-03-20T06:06:35.006+00:002011-03-20T06:06:35.006+00:00Regarding Leimenos 132, GA 1757, I downloaded it f...Regarding Leimenos 132, GA 1757, I downloaded it for Revelation, since the Liste says for contents, "apr." I have not been able to find Revelation in it yet, and Hoskier says that it had been reported to him in 1912 that the Revelation pages had been "torn out." So far I have found: p. 5, Acts 2:14b; p. 16, Acts ch. 5; p. 302, 2 Thessalonians 1:3; p. 333-Philemon 1:17David Robert Palmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12257792741925263071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-79770252803473978532011-03-19T20:53:51.461+00:002011-03-19T20:53:51.461+00:00The confusion appears to go both ways. This is wha...The confusion appears to go both ways. This is what they say about L798 (no mention of 'lectionary'):<br /><br />Ms. Lesbiacus Leimonos 1<br />Gospel Book<br />Date of origin: 10th c.<br />Material: parchment.<br />Measure of folios: 305x245 mm.<br />Justification: 240x185 mm.<br />Number of folios: 79.<br />Number of columns: two.<br />Lines of text per page: 20.<br /><br />The manuscript, which is mutilated in both the beginning and the ending and does not preserve a colophon, was copied by a single scribe in uncial script.The White Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06732782601569135839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-88812028275585941602011-03-19T14:34:05.087+00:002011-03-19T14:34:05.087+00:00Thanks Ulrich for the clarification, I have update...Thanks Ulrich for the clarification, I have updated the main post accordlingly.Tommy Wassermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674769923361035721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-46488115634673498342011-03-19T09:19:29.363+00:002011-03-19T09:19:29.363+00:001. The online Liste has the correct shelf number f...1. The online Liste has the correct shelf number for GA 2220.<br /><br />2. GA 2682 (Leimonos 360) is a continuous text manuscript by the standards we usually apply in TC and not a lectionary: it has no reordering of the text according to liturgical purposes, no lection headers interrupting the text, no omissions at or rephrasings of lection openings. <br /><br />The features that I mention in my short note on the NT.VMR only indicate that this continuous text manuscript was prepared to be used in conjunction with the liturgical tradition, because the Gospel texts have been cross-referenced. It may have been used in the service (though it doesn't contain ekphonetic signs). This perception may have prompted the modern (Greek) cataloguers of the Leimonos Digital Library to call GA 2682 a "Gospel Lectionary", which it is not - technically.<br /><br />In sum: I am prepared to defend the technical definition of what is a continuous text manuscript as opposed to what is a lectionary, and, according to that definition, GA 2682 is a continuous text manuscript. Nevertheless, it is noteworthy that there are other perceptions, which may give us reason to reflect on the categories we use.<br /><br />3. Yes, there are only 22 manuscripts registered in the GA Liste in the Digital Library of Leimonos. Monastery.Ulrich Schmidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04599151189851613469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-10130329404997110152011-03-18T16:32:58.108+00:002011-03-18T16:32:58.108+00:00Thanks Tommy. MalcolmThanks Tommy. MalcolmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com