tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post6903868725284760231..comments2024-03-29T07:11:17.775+00:00Comments on Evangelical Textual Criticism: Just How Much Longer Is Codex Bezae’s Text in Acts?P.J. Williamshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04388225485348300613noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-22498391465050529832018-03-19T08:30:28.147+00:002018-03-19T08:30:28.147+00:00I have read that Textus Receptus has app. 2000-300...I have read that Textus Receptus has app. 2000-3000 more words in Greek than NAeditions: does TR follow longer western reading in Acts and where I can find a list/translations of the western readings..? Thanks! - TimAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-61097149803563707002016-07-05T19:17:45.472+01:002016-07-05T19:17:45.472+01:00I just realized my slip. When I said Kirsopp and L...I just realized my slip. When I said Kirsopp and Lake I meant Lake and Jackson, the 5 volume set on Acts, not that it matters at this point, just clearing it up in case anyone reads it in the future and gets confused.Eric Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13379106188046530722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-4958281817193645402016-06-30T20:28:33.559+01:002016-06-30T20:28:33.559+01:00Eric, I did not. But for more stats, see Heimerdin...Eric, I did not. But for more stats, see Heimerdinger's article referenced by Steve Walton above. She compared the number of words between 05 and 03 and found that "the D text of Acts can be seen to be 6.6% longer than that of B."Peter Gurryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10396444437216746412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-53797627243861412282016-06-30T20:07:16.680+01:002016-06-30T20:07:16.680+01:00The latter stricture is why I avoided the dative t...The latter stricture is why I avoided the dative to begin with. I trust Dr. Head, and generally believe what he has to say—but I certainly do not believe in him, at least not in the way that πιστευω εν (or εις [another correct accusative]) is generally used in the NT. Of course my comment was originally intended to be humorous—but I think we may have digressed. :-) Peter J. Montoro IVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11893055527110529190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-56891627482483351062016-06-30T20:06:29.301+01:002016-06-30T20:06:29.301+01:00I think one point in favor of Kenyon's method ...I think one point in favor of Kenyon's method is the lacunae in Bezae you mention. Although your method also makes sense. So it's good to have the two statistics to supplement one another.<br /><br />I'm surprised this detailed comparison of Bezae and Sinaiticus hasn't been done yet though, given that there have been some very detailed serious specialized studies on the text of Acts over the past century. It wouldn't surprise me that Metzger's number would be the most oft-quoted one, even if there are other options out there.<br /><br />Did you happen to consult the third volume of Kirsopp and Lake? I just did a quick check of it prompted by your post and couldn't find a statistic like this. But I wouldn't be surprised if it's in there and I missed it.Eric Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13379106188046530722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-39257867068321883242016-06-30T19:49:50.651+01:002016-06-30T19:49:50.651+01:00η αγαπη . . . παντα πιστευει (1Co 13:7)
Far be it...η αγαπη . . . <b><i>παντα</i></b> πιστευει (1Co 13:7)<br /><br />Far be it from anyone to say πιστευω εν Πετρω ΚεφαληMaurice A. Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05685965674144539571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-90165626583268539512016-06-30T16:33:18.755+01:002016-06-30T16:33:18.755+01:00πιστευω την μαρτυριαν του Πετρου Κεφαλης.
Apolog...πιστευω την μαρτυριαν του Πετρου Κεφαλης. <br /><br />Apologies for my mistake, as per BDAG 1.a.α., I think the sentence as now structured (accusative of thing, rather than person which was certainly incorrect) is more or less tolerable. If the dative is to be insisted on:<br /><br />πιστευω εν τοις λογοις του Πετρου Κεφαλης. <br /><br />Thanks for the correction, please let me know if more are required. :-) <br /><br />Peter J. Montoro IVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11893055527110529190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-19250761073341098482016-06-30T10:22:26.890+01:002016-06-30T10:22:26.890+01:00dative please!dative please!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-76542280995494147142016-06-29T20:06:27.932+01:002016-06-29T20:06:27.932+01:00Πιστεύω Πετρον Κεφαλήν. :-)Πιστεύω Πετρον Κεφαλήν. :-)Peter J. Montoro IVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11893055527110529190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-62222053414436083772016-06-29T12:31:37.552+01:002016-06-29T12:31:37.552+01:00You doubt Peter Head? Now I don't know who to ...You doubt Peter Head? Now I don't know who to trust.Peter Gurryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10396444437216746412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-52005259044999308282016-06-29T02:06:16.086+01:002016-06-29T02:06:16.086+01:00Much respected Dr. Head,
You are hilarious! :-) I ...Much respected Dr. Head,<br />You are hilarious! :-) I love your sense of humor. Will you be at the 2016 SBL?Peter J. Montoro IVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11893055527110529190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-22516696363934201062016-06-28T15:04:02.263+01:002016-06-28T15:04:02.263+01:00That is out of order, Peter Head is a respected sc...That is out of order, Peter Head is a respected scholar and one of the main bloggers on this site. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-69095650802365446652016-06-28T09:39:39.549+01:002016-06-28T09:39:39.549+01:00Somehow I doubt that Pete Head counted the 800 wor...Somehow I doubt that Pete Head counted the 800 words using a carefully controlled method of comparison. It looks to me like more of an opening gambit than anything else.Peter M. Headhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379103292621457026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-51504493371926577452016-06-27T22:28:43.509+01:002016-06-27T22:28:43.509+01:00Thank you Peter. Definitely a fascinating topic!
...Thank you Peter. Definitely a fascinating topic!<br /><br />One assumption of these comparisons is that the textual tradition of Acts bifurcates into distinct traditions. But this becomes more difficult to maintain with more "long"-text witnesses in the picture (e.g. P127) and a fuller appreciation of the mixture between them. It seems our tendency to see two traditions arises from a trick of perspective given the limited number of extant witnesses and our habit of viewing them as representatives of text types. Still the D-א comparison highlights the diversity of this particular tradition.Peter Lorenzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06858478022416180629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-58664865674815410952016-06-27T20:41:32.162+01:002016-06-27T20:41:32.162+01:00Thanks for acknowledging the sources of the transc...Thanks for acknowledging the sources of the transcriptions. It's always good to learn of their use for further scholarship. Hugh Houghtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06092807821368099069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-26754703916943386482016-06-27T18:27:02.447+01:002016-06-27T18:27:02.447+01:00Steve, I did not. Many thanks! For those intereste...Steve, I did not. Many thanks! For those interested, there's <a href="http://www.raco.cat/index.php/RevistaTeologia/article/viewFile/70844/100026" rel="nofollow">a PDF online here</a>.Peter Gurryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10396444437216746412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-22674501360793540962016-06-27T13:17:21.275+01:002016-06-27T13:17:21.275+01:00I did the same thing except I counted words using ...I did the same thing except I counted words using my transcriptions at http://greekcntr.org and found a 6.6% difference.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14701427075458063770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-43177887979339767562016-06-27T09:24:32.317+01:002016-06-27T09:24:32.317+01:00Thanks Peter. Have you seen Jenny Read Heimerdinge...Thanks Peter. Have you seen Jenny Read Heimerdinger's important article, which gives a fine-grained analysis of where Bezae is longer and shorter—and how? Read-Heimerdinger, Jenny, ‘The «Long» and the «Short» Texts of Acts: A Closer Look at the Quantity and Types of Variation’, Revista Catalana de Teologia 22 (1997) 245-61.Steve Waltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11272652085551841488noreply@blogger.com