tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post5922705782767703724..comments2024-03-28T00:45:18.442+00:00Comments on Evangelical Textual Criticism: The NIV Commissioning Anniversary (1965-2015)P.J. Williamshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04388225485348300613noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-86118355140451375422015-06-08T14:52:42.760+01:002015-06-08T14:52:42.760+01:00We celebrate the beginning of things that are cont...We celebrate the beginning of things that are continuing and the end of things that have finished. We celebrate the beginning of ones life because their is no desire for their life to be finished and likewise with marriages and the beginnings of freedoms. We celebrate the ends of wars, the ends of projects, and the ends of constructions. No one ever formally celebrates the time that generals thought up how to win a war.<br /><br />But really, that's all irrelevant; why do we even have time to celebrate the completion of a translation? ...especially one that is sold for profit and that was written in a language that already had a number of sufficient texts. Busybodies! Get to work planting and harvesting. God can use any translation that still has a shred of Him to get His message across, and of course there are advantages to every translation, even this one, but if those in the body were representing Christ with all of their strength as they should, they would be able to verbally communicate the gospel from even the most ancient English texts into something understandable by their contemporaries. We need the Spirit, not a reduplication of work that boasts on itself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-65913688816854153692015-05-28T19:27:45.579+01:002015-05-28T19:27:45.579+01:00I know that, but the second edition of Zondervan&#...I know that, but the second edition of Zondervan's Reader's Greek New Testament is the text followed by the TNIV. Is there a 3rd edition that's the text of the NIV2011? I haven't seen anything about one.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07057420131874808027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-44557365397766341602015-05-28T06:47:55.156+01:002015-05-28T06:47:55.156+01:00The TNIV has been discontinued.The TNIV has been discontinued.Tommy Wassermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674769923361035721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-60969282492063666492015-05-27T23:17:09.201+01:002015-05-27T23:17:09.201+01:00Wait, I thought that the Zondervan Greek NT reader...Wait, I thought that the Zondervan Greek NT reader is supposed to print the Greek text underlying the <b>T</b>NIV not the regular NIV. But maybe the NIV 2011 is based on the same text as the TNIV...but the 1983/4 wasn't obviously.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07057420131874808027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-66553996336650841512015-05-27T23:13:31.445+01:002015-05-27T23:13:31.445+01:00"but few things are needed—or indeed only one..."but few things are needed—or indeed only one" vs "But one thing is needed"...I really don't prefer the unnecessarily verbose version.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-6675443997590694342015-05-27T16:49:27.104+01:002015-05-27T16:49:27.104+01:00HmmHmmPeter M. Headhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379103292621457026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-41718244925683389722015-05-27T16:10:08.247+01:002015-05-27T16:10:08.247+01:00Yes, you never know what to expect from this guy (...Yes, you never know what to expect from this guy (as expected when you look at his profile picture). I have now revised the post again, and hope that this can stand. <br /><br />Yes, the Zondervan Greek NT reader is supposed to print the Greek text underlying the NIV, but there have been several changes in the NIV from 1978 to 2011 (including textcritical work ... that was my point; Gordon Fee came on the CBT at a later stage I think, and made a revision, and I was hoping that something of that aspect would turn up on the dedicated webpage.Tommy Wassermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674769923361035721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-24871843317816238192015-05-27T15:39:12.730+01:002015-05-27T15:39:12.730+01:00Blog vandalism. Isn't Zondervan's Greek NT...Blog vandalism. Isn't Zondervan's Greek NT reader supposed to print the Greek text underlying the NIV?Peter Gurryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10396444437216746412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-75676360202604517062015-05-27T14:39:36.103+01:002015-05-27T14:39:36.103+01:00:):)Peter M. Headhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379103292621457026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-80993544155458074822015-05-27T14:39:13.519+01:002015-05-27T14:39:13.519+01:00smileysmileyPeter M. Headhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379103292621457026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-92125472661218500032015-05-27T14:38:01.091+01:002015-05-27T14:38:01.091+01:00I've just fixed a few errors in the post.I've just fixed a few errors in the post.Peter M. Headhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379103292621457026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-34103499466156521442015-05-27T14:32:25.451+01:002015-05-27T14:32:25.451+01:00Now you are repeating yourself. An obvious interpo...Now you are repeating yourself. An obvious interpolation.Peter M. Headhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379103292621457026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-36546672664656404872015-05-27T12:55:34.227+01:002015-05-27T12:55:34.227+01:00Pete, Gordon Fee has worked on textcritical matter...Pete, Gordon Fee has worked on textcritical matters for this translation. In particular, I like his choice of variant in Luke 10:42-43, which is rather unique among bible translations (I might blog about it – I have recommended this variant for the Swedish Bible Society recently, but they did not dare to include it in the trial translation; otherwise they followed my recommendations everywhere). I think, to be fair, this anniversary should have been related to the Committee on Bible Translation formed in 1965, but since it is obscure in comparison with the "product", the NIV, I understand what they are doing, and I also understand that it draws criticism.Tommy Wassermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674769923361035721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-90886185033881580942015-05-27T12:53:20.581+01:002015-05-27T12:53:20.581+01:00Not to beat a dead joke, but isn't that beggin...Not to beat a dead joke, but isn't that begging the question? What exactly is the "date of the wedding anniversary"? What event does that date mark? Well, the day you walked down the aisle, of course. But what was that: the beginning or completion of your marriage? The beginning, of course. <br /><br />We don't normally think of marriage as a "project" that has a start date and a finish date, but it does, doesn't it? I remember a friend whose wife passed away saying to me that he had had a successful marriage that was now finished. <br /><br />My point is that all projects have dates on which they began, and (many!) projects also have dates on which they are completed, finished, and end. We often celebrate the anniversary of completion dates (e.g. Armistice day) but we also sometimes celebrate the anniversary of beginning dates (weddings, birthdays, etc).<br /><br />Now, of course, that doesn't mean the NIV isn't being silly with this, but, hey, what else does their marketing team have to do this year?! ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17310895604715766143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-19840786544102843522015-05-27T12:36:02.754+01:002015-05-27T12:36:02.754+01:00I enjoyed as well how they use the term "dist...I enjoyed as well how they use the term "distributed" in the comment "450 million copies distributed worldwide"; and the word "sold" for "the NIV Study Bible has sold more than 10 million copies". In celebrating this translation I would be interested in seeing a general breakdown of where the money has gone. Peter M. Headhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379103292621457026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-73362645561685392392015-05-27T12:32:40.108+01:002015-05-27T12:32:40.108+01:00Tommy, it is hard to see what text-critical analys...Tommy, it is hard to see what text-critical analysis could be done. After all they translated directly from "the best available original manuscripts". Peter M. Headhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379103292621457026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-41759471255081180632015-05-27T12:31:00.749+01:002015-05-27T12:31:00.749+01:00I think that is the point Ryan - only a marketing ...I think that is the point Ryan - only a marketing team would dream up celebrating the anniversary of the time they thought of publishing a new translation. Any normal human being would think of celebrating the date of the publication of the new translation. Does anyone seriously think they won't have another fiftieth anniversary in a couple of years?Peter M. Headhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379103292621457026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-59541958736129601162015-05-27T12:11:51.082+01:002015-05-27T12:11:51.082+01:00Not to beat a dead joke, but isn't that beggin...Not to beat a dead joke, but isn't that begging the question? What exactly is the "date of the wedding anniversary"? What event does that date mark? Well, the day you walked down the aisle, of course. But what was that: the beginning or completion of your marriage? The beginning, of course. <br /><br />We don't normally think of marriage as a "project" that has a start date and a finish date, but it does, doesn't it? I remember a friend whose wife passed away saying to me that he had had a successful marriage that was now finished. <br /><br />My point is that all projects have dates on which they began, and (many!) projects also have dates on which they are completed, finished, and end. We often celebrate the anniversary of completion dates (e.g. Armistice day) but we also sometimes celebrate the anniversary of beginning dates (weddings, birthdays, etc).<br /><br />Now, of course, that doesn't mean the NIV isn't being silly with this, but, hey, what else does their marketing team have to do this year?! ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17310895604715766143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-7392896056998833512015-05-27T08:32:33.674+01:002015-05-27T08:32:33.674+01:00Generally (when I remember) we celebrate on the da...Generally (when I remember) we celebrate on the date of the wedding anniversary, not some time previously when I came up with the idea. Peter M. Headhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379103292621457026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-10230120352140515232015-05-27T06:15:13.118+01:002015-05-27T06:15:13.118+01:00Posting advertisements now, are we?Posting advertisements now, are we?James Snapp Jrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09493891380752272603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-16030266993327317052015-05-27T04:01:31.985+01:002015-05-27T04:01:31.985+01:00I dunno Peter, every year when you are celebrating...I dunno Peter, every year when you are celebrating your wedding anniversary (assuming you remember to celebrate it!) are you marking the completion of your marriage, or the commencement of it?Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10915737233077999632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-88682443668969661622015-05-26T17:04:22.056+01:002015-05-26T17:04:22.056+01:00This sets an excellent precedent: celebrating the ...This sets an excellent precedent: celebrating the anniversary of when you first thought of a project. Surely we should avoid the advertising hype and wait for the real fiftieth anniversary. Peter M. Headhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379103292621457026noreply@blogger.com