tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post4201989106234266092..comments2024-03-29T07:11:17.775+00:00Comments on Evangelical Textual Criticism: Origen on Textual Criticism and Biblical AuthorityP.J. Williamshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04388225485348300613noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-31279783458542171152017-03-12T04:13:26.193+00:002017-03-12T04:13:26.193+00:00PS happy to send an advance proof to anyone who...PS happy to send an advance proof to anyone who's interested (mmm17@uchicago.edu).Margaret M. Mitchellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09021659647903613151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-60036517226370258582017-03-12T04:01:40.958+00:002017-03-12T04:01:40.958+00:00Just FYI I gave a paper on this homily at MWSBL in...Just FYI I gave a paper on this homily at MWSBL in Feb 2016, SWSBL in March 2016, NAPS May 2016 and SBL/AAR Nov 2016; the article is in press now to appear in Adamantius (2017),in case of interest. This is a fascinating and important homily for text-critical and other reasons. MMMMargaret M. Mitchellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09021659647903613151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-86468546269333410642017-03-08T04:55:40.936+00:002017-03-08T04:55:40.936+00:00Thanks James. That's helpful and I agree that ...Thanks James. That's helpful and I agree that scribes would naturally fill such vacuums. The only problem is that most of your "other places" involve explicit citations <em>from Isaiah</em>, or at least have such a citation nearby. So Matt 13.35 still looks odd. Scribes have been known to do odd things of course.Peter Gurryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10396444437216746412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-67673695715836004022017-03-08T03:34:51.586+00:002017-03-08T03:34:51.586+00:00On the question of how Isaiah's name got into ...On the question of how Isaiah's name got into the text of Matthew 13:35 -- the same way that his name got inserted in other places, as I describe in my defense of the Byzantine reading of Mark 1:2, at http://www.curtisvillechristianchurch.org/MarkOneTwo.htm .<br /><br />It's a facet of the scribal mechanism that tended to name the nameless -- which should justify the canon, "Prefer the less specific variant."<br />James Snapp Jrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09493891380752272603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-72526506588675334992017-03-06T22:42:44.610+00:002017-03-06T22:42:44.610+00:00Thank you, Tommy, for bringing this discussion to ...Thank you, Tommy, for bringing this discussion to my attention. The main point I brought up in reference to Origen's comments here is that Jerome (as he so often does) repeated Origen's argument about this variant (that is, Asaph was the original reading) in his homily on this Psalm and in his Commentary on Matthew. Until Origen's homilies were recently rediscovered, we only had Jerome's testimony to the variant reading (or, conjecture) "Asaph," which has worked its way into our critical apparatus. My argument is that I think Origen's evidence clearly shows that Jerome's argument is borrowed from Origen and that it is Origen's conjecture, not firsthand testimony by Jerome (or Origen) to early manuscripts that contained the reading "Asaph." It is also interesting more broadly to compare Jerome's homily to Origen's homily at this point. Although their discussions cover different details, Jerome follows the same basic theme as Origen, using Matt. 13:35 to launch a larger discussion of scribal errors. Amy M. Donaldsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10705616400331117945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-12910167539100866652017-03-06T18:25:58.552+00:002017-03-06T18:25:58.552+00:00Alex, that's a great question. From this it se...Alex, that's a great question. From this it seems that Origen's view would clash with Protestant's.<br /><br />Thanks again for the post (and the translation).Peter Gurryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10396444437216746412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-22767821188426711092017-03-06T18:24:46.185+00:002017-03-06T18:24:46.185+00:00By the way, there is an interesting question, if t...By the way, there is an interesting question, if the original text did not specify a prophet at all (as per NA), then how did Isaiah get into the text in the first place?Peter Gurryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10396444437216746412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-46061737805261028962017-03-06T18:16:08.114+00:002017-03-06T18:16:08.114+00:00I have proposed that and I know she is considering...I have proposed that and I know she is considering it.Tommy Wassermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674769923361035721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-49733018574414936252017-03-06T17:46:16.231+00:002017-03-06T17:46:16.231+00:00Her dissertation is great. Do you know if she plan...Her dissertation is great. Do you know if she plans to publish her SNTS paper?Peter Gurryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10396444437216746412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-39970439050884197272017-03-06T17:36:06.600+00:002017-03-06T17:36:06.600+00:00I invived Amy Donaldson to present a paper on &quo...I invived Amy Donaldson to present a paper on "Explicit References to Variant Readings among the Church Fathers and Their Application to Modern Textual Criticism"at the SNTS in Montreal last year in which this passage was her final and most elaborated example.Tommy Wassermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674769923361035721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-11266514417817670542017-03-06T17:35:32.286+00:002017-03-06T17:35:32.286+00:00Thanks so much for the link! I'm glad you fou...Thanks so much for the link! I'm glad you found the passage as interesting as I did. I have to think that Origen would have been heartened by advances in text criticism, though I suspect he would still want natural revelation and the church to be epistemically prior. It would be a worthwhile study to see how Origen's exegetical and hermeneutical approach(es) might fit with traditional protestant notions of perspicuity of scripture, etc. Perhaps it's even already been done, I don't know about it!Alex Pouloshttps://alexpoulos.comnoreply@blogger.com