tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post9203108172110744200..comments2024-03-28T15:19:14.151+00:00Comments on Evangelical Textual Criticism: Codex Sinaiticus Highlights IIP.J. Williamshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04388225485348300613noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-8374999465247790482017-09-01T18:06:18.326+01:002017-09-01T18:06:18.326+01:00Dear Sir,
working on the material fo Tischendorf (...Dear Sir,<br />working on the material fo Tischendorf (still in the posession of the TIschendorffamily) as well as on the material in the University of Leipzig I can connfess, that Tischendorf has not stolen the Manuscript. You can find the donation documents on these websites: http://www.nlr.ru/eng/exib/CodexSinaiticus/zah/3_8.html - you will find more material in the book of Prof. Böttrich http://www.eva-leipzig.de/product_info.php?info=p2959_Der-Jahrhundertfund.html as well as in my book https://bibelausstellung.eduxx-irs.de/home/info1_1835_constantin-tischendorf-und-die-aelteste-bibel-der-welt-neues-buch Qumranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09597484160510250582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-11532130671527389422016-04-22T00:22:15.808+01:002016-04-22T00:22:15.808+01:00Christian Askeland
" Sinaiticus had lost its ...Christian Askeland<br />" Sinaiticus had lost its binding and had fallen to pieces. At least four pieces was bound into book covers. Many pieces were left to their fate in the collapsed ruins of an old tower. Others (the majority) left the monastery through Tischendorf. Sinaiticus had not been well treated when Tischendorf got his sneaky little hands on it."<br /><br />There is a factual problem in the first sentence. Porfiry Uspensky described an intact manuscript when he wrote of his 1845 visit. The most logical conclusion, when you look at all the evidences, is simply that Tischendorf stole five quires and 3 pages (in two sections) from an intact manuscript in 1844. <br /><br />The other theory, of a quick 1844 phantom rebinding after Tischendorf, is more of a joke theory designed to ignore the difficulties and work with the fabrications of Tischendorf as if they were actual history. Why not simply accept the fact that he lied continually about Sinaiticus? The "saved by fire" story was not even burning until 15 years after 1844, not even in family correspondence. <br /><br />As for the New Finds, there are multiple evidences that those Sinaiticus materials were in fact related to the events of 1844-1859. Since you see parts in the New Finds that are salient, related to special ms. parts of Tischendorf and Uspensky. There is also a non-Sinaiticus confirmation related to a Psalter taken by Uspensky. <br /><br />Steven Avery<br />Dutchess County, NYSteven Averyhttp://www.purebibleforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=65noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-82264895770515867912009-07-10T10:16:39.468+01:002009-07-10T10:16:39.468+01:00JS: Did the contents of any of the papers support ...JS: Did the contents of any of the papers support Tischendorf's claims, or the protests of the monks?<br /><br />The following thoughts are not necessarily directed at you, but rather reflect in a general manner on the issue which you have raised.<br /><br />This topic was avoided at the conference, although the bishop who was supposed to speak on the Shepherd of Hermas did spend some time discussing the controversy. I should also note that the original agreement included a statement recognizing the monastery's continued claim to the manuscript in all its parts.<br /><br />The new find of manuscripts from the 1970's which totaled 1 1/2 tons in weight, had been left in a derelict building which collapsed. I spoke with Father Justin about this; it sounds to me as if the monks of Tischendorf's time were simply overwhelmed with manuscripts and were not interested in or capable of taking care of the whole of them. Sinaiticus had lost its binding and had fallen to pieces. At least four pieces was bound into book covers. Many pieces were left to their fate in the collapsed ruins of an old tower. Others (the majority) left the monastery through Tischendorf. Sinaiticus had not been well treated when Tischendorf got his sneaky little hands on it.<br /><br />I think that we should be very careful as scholars before landing on either side of this argument. On the one hand, you have a European with significant resources to employ to acquire (for Tsar Alex II, 9000 rubles), conserve and publish the manuscript. On the other, you have the relatively impoverished historic owners in the best scenario do not appreciate the uniqueness of the manuscript and have not properly conserved it. This is colonialism at its best and worst.<br /><br />One must also keep in mind the nature of the larger situation. Sinaiticus is part of a much larger collection of antiquities held by British institutions. British institutions (like those in other countries) are constantly returning manuscripts. These actions involve a large number of factors including questions of conservation, access, history, national value, etc. Sinaticus is part of a much bigger picture.<br /><br />In summary, I do not know what the right thing to do is. I do not regret that the British bought the manuscript in 1933/34. I think that Tischendorf may have saved the manuscript, if not from flames, perhaps from other neglect or from sale to more dubious entities. We should remember that monks sold other manuscripts from the monastery through Cairo dealing over the next century. However, ideally I can imagine a more sensitive Tischendorf who might have partnered with the monastery in the preservation and publication of the text or a monastery which was more careful in the conservation and care of its greatest treasure.Christian Askelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09381441700351009913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-87797018745739721732009-07-10T02:38:20.423+01:002009-07-10T02:38:20.423+01:00The online publication of Codex Sinaiticus in its ...The online publication of Codex Sinaiticus in its entirety is a stellar achievement, a bright cyber-star joining the constellation of the Goodspeed Collection at the University of Chicago, the Biblical Manuscripts Project, etc.<br /><br />But it will always be a bright star on a cloudy night, until the BL offers to return Codex Sinaiticus to St. Catherine's Monastery.<br /><br />J. Rendel Harris (who had visited St. Catherine's) had no illusions: in his review of Gregory's "Text and Canon" in the February 1908 issue of The Expositor, Harris expressed extreme skepticism (bordering on outright ridicule) of Tischendorf's version of events pertaining to the "rescue" of Codex Sinaiticus.<br /><br />Did the contents of any of the papers support Tischendorf's claims, or the protests of the monks? Has some evidence appeared that makes it plain that the monks were about to burn pages of the codex? I think if that were the case, we would have heard more about it.<br /><br />I call on the curator of the BL and other responsible parties to make this festive occasion even more exciting, memorable, and celebratory, by returning Codex Sinaiticus to the monks of St. Catherine's. <br /><br />Yours in Christ,<br /><br />James Snapp, Jr.James Snapp Jrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09493891380752272603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-82699142682581859202009-07-09T10:44:12.100+01:002009-07-09T10:44:12.100+01:00P66 has 440 corrections according to Royse. The sc...P66 has 440 corrections according to Royse. The scribe averages probably 20 lines per page and 24 characters per line. There are 104 leaves which are complete or almost compete and 46 which are increasingly fragmentary.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13386085033961726727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-52629984027366051622009-07-09T05:51:50.039+01:002009-07-09T05:51:50.039+01:00"Klaus Wachtel's count of 23,000 correcti..."Klaus Wachtel's count of 23,000 corrections throughout the manuscript (at an average of 30 corrections per page)."<br /><br />There are 30 corrections per page, and there are about 400 words per page in GA01, we can therefore deduce that a correction was made every 13th or 14th word. <br /><br />That said -- Is there data available that indicates how many corrections other ancient Greek documents contain?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com