tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post8040671777358838180..comments2024-03-17T17:46:24.354+00:00Comments on Evangelical Textual Criticism: Conservapedia Bible Project - Free of Corruption by Liberal Untruths?P.J. Williamshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04388225485348300613noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-63713418874095785892022-08-15T23:25:35.730+01:002022-08-15T23:25:35.730+01:00Who are we to say what God should or shouldn't...Who are we to say what God should or shouldn't include in His Word?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-63504140590580239882009-10-22T11:15:59.375+01:002009-10-22T11:15:59.375+01:00I don't know how to do it either, not having u...I don't know how to do it either, not having used the Blogger system, but I know other ones that allow you to mess about with all sorts of options on the back-end.Andrew Wilsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-27893383362625865682009-10-22T02:43:48.299+01:002009-10-22T02:43:48.299+01:00I voted for square brackets.
On a text critical...I voted for square brackets. <br /><br />On a text critical level I'm persuaded that it was not part of the "original text" (however that is defined). <br /><br />However, the story is, to my mind, likely authentic Jesus tradition, and at any rate has definitely established itself on, if not a textual base, certain a theological and canonical one. <br /><br />Critical editions, e.g. NA27, should definitely square bracket it to indicate its text critical status. The average English bible, however, does not serve a critical purpose, but a theological one, and so I see know problem in including it there.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10915737233077999632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-27973960035541153282009-10-21T21:38:01.997+01:002009-10-21T21:38:01.997+01:00Andrew, I don't know how to do that. I am stil...Andrew, I don't know how to do that. I am still learning.Tommy Wassermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674769923361035721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-70848477006223515322009-10-21T19:34:59.476+01:002009-10-21T19:34:59.476+01:00You'll have to adjust the settings on the poll...You'll have to adjust the settings on the poll, Tommy. I've voted four times now (not all for the same option, mind you). As long as it is a few hours apart, you can vote early and often.Andrew Wilsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-20409771884440984802009-10-20T05:53:55.130+01:002009-10-20T05:53:55.130+01:00My primary motivation for wanting to keep it in th...My primary motivation for wanting to keep it in the Bible is that one of my friends has 8.11 tattooed on his chest. I would hate for it to be removed after all that anguish.<br />But I still don't think that is a good enough reason to keep it.Wickiserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08859408012628808650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-8953075214103249452009-10-20T03:30:19.592+01:002009-10-20T03:30:19.592+01:00Papias seems to have known about a story concernin...Papias seems to have known about a story concerning Jesus' interactions with a woman who was caught in many sins. It is possible that Papias got this story from the author of the Gospel of John himself. Regardless of whether the account in the Gospel was originally there, it may well represent a true story that could have also been known by the author of the Gospel.<br /><br />Eusebius' Ecclesiastical History 3.39.16 or look here:<br /><br />http://www.chronicon.net/church%20fathers/papias/papias-fragments.html#EusebiusofCaesareac260-340ADTomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12477677049046518907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-83663110619967274782009-10-20T00:31:42.080+01:002009-10-20T00:31:42.080+01:00If someone thought long and hard it would be diffi...If someone thought long and hard it would be difficult to come up with a better way to make conservatives look silly that this "Conservapedia" nonsense and its pitiful excuse for a Bible translation.<br /><br />Yours in Christ,<br /><br />James Snapp, Jr.James Snapp Jrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09493891380752272603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-20311376208831091362009-10-19T22:07:06.308+01:002009-10-19T22:07:06.308+01:00Anon: "Can't access the poll."
I do...Anon: "Can't access the poll."<br /><br />I don't know what the problem is. Can you see the question and a gray button in the right sidebar?Tommy Wassermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674769923361035721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-57301815653452967562009-10-19T21:09:35.016+01:002009-10-19T21:09:35.016+01:00One of the liberal falsehoods Andy Schafly is tryi...One of the liberal falsehoods Andy Schafly is trying to eradicate is that girls are just as smart as boys:<br />http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Mystery:Do_Liberal_Teachings_Cause_Mental_Illness%3F&diff=497981&oldid=497972The White Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06732782601569135839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-56433031377053405722009-10-19T20:20:03.385+01:002009-10-19T20:20:03.385+01:00Can't access the poll.Can't access the poll.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-27507670281897221572009-10-19T19:27:38.622+01:002009-10-19T19:27:38.622+01:00I would have liked an option on the survey that sa...I would have liked an option on the survey that said include it in a footnote.<br /><br />I voted include it with brackets, but I think that is too strong.<br /><br />It still has historic significance even if we believe it was not originally part of John, so I wouldn't want to loose it altogether, but I also don't think we should continue to pretend that it was originally part of John.<br /><br />bobBob Relyeahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13063651264391311686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-32414157171695584542009-10-19T18:02:56.704+01:002009-10-19T18:02:56.704+01:00For those who think the Pericope of the Adulteress...For those who think the Pericope of the Adulteress should not be included in modern Bibles, do you think it should be included in a lengthy footnote or not at all? Most versions these days have many textual notes. Does the story have enough intrinsic/historical value to be among those included in the notes?<br /><br />Then there is the possibility that the story is actually authentic and removing it from Bibles (including the notes) would mean throwing something similar to the size of 2 or 3 John out the window. What if the passage's removal is really an ancient Orthodox Corruption, similar to what Augustine suggested. It is obvious from 4th century Fathers that the passage was by then well established in many manuscripts in its canonical place (7:53-8:11), indicating at least the antiquity of the story that appears in so many later manuscripts. Indeed, its "inclusion" on a canonical level is hardly much removed in time-space from the "inclusion" of 2/3 John or 2 Peter, so what's the fuss?<br /><br />The earliest manuscripts may preserve real orthodox corruptions, such as the removal of εικη in Matt 5:22 (cf. D. A. Black, "Jesus on Anger: The Text of Matthew 5:22a Revisited," Novum Testamentum 30:1 [1988], 1-8, of which Bart Ehrman not surprisingly suggests his approval in one of his works). Perhaps the removal of the Pericope of the Adulteress is simply one whopper of an orthodox corruption!<br /><br />Jonathan C. Borlandjonathancborlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03436966120291169954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-67997347654915729612009-10-19T15:19:37.893+01:002009-10-19T15:19:37.893+01:00Eric, I guess a website that has had 105,000,000 p...Eric, I guess a website that has had 105,000,000 page views must be taken seriously since it apparently will have impact. Thus far, it is ranked 52750 by Alexa. (This blog btw has traffic rank 918692).Tommy Wassermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674769923361035721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-40131727597231034852009-10-19T15:08:05.306+01:002009-10-19T15:08:05.306+01:00I've seen this "project" get mention...I've seen this "project" get mentioned a lot lately. I think before it gets too much attention given to it, the whole thing should be taken with a grain of salt. Is this an actual project that is going on now with a publisher behind it? Or is it just some guy's idea that he posted on a website that anyone who signs up there can post on? I would take any random comment posted on the ETC blog more seriously than I would that conservapedia article. As I see it, it's not a serious enough thing to get the attention, or even the mockery, that it's already gotten.Eric Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559055709208918638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-50525024351612998742009-10-19T14:23:25.096+01:002009-10-19T14:23:25.096+01:00The "conservative" Bible translation pro...The "conservative" Bible translation project is self-evidently a parody, not a real project.Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05188482189638751204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-38110318630751323372009-10-19T11:18:43.363+01:002009-10-19T11:18:43.363+01:00It's not a "conservative translation"...It's not a "conservative translation" in the ordinary sense of the word (either word, actually). It's a politically right-wing modernized paraphrase of the KJV. The text itself is rife with interpretive stretches, grounded in a theory that Greek was somehow inadequate to express what the authors really intended. I have in mind, specifically, the case where Herodias' daughter is in Mk 6:22 described as a "girl", which becomes "temptress" in this work, with a note attached suggesting that they might want to change this to "bimbo" instead. This is since changed, but through the wonders of Wiki history, it's still visible in versions from a couple weeks ago. <br /><br />There are also frequent reminders that the "translators" at Conservapedia would do well to concentrate on mastering English before engaging in a project of this magnitude. It's hard not to laugh at the irony of a work that claims "not dumbing down the reading level" as one of its guiding principles, when its "translators" haven't quite mastered person-number agreement on verbs or capitalization conventions for quoted speech in English.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-75038770231843334572009-10-19T10:13:32.735+01:002009-10-19T10:13:32.735+01:00Ironically, based on your description, it seems th...Ironically, based on your description, it seems that their policy of editorial control and their method of translation (e.g. of 'rich') is anything but conservative. Political conservatism must be distinguished from conservatism in translation method.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com