tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post5598913546088179282..comments2024-03-29T07:11:17.775+00:00Comments on Evangelical Textual Criticism: New Greek Manuscript of Revelation!P.J. Williamshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04388225485348300613noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-28277633079828190612009-04-26T20:21:00.000+01:002009-04-26T20:21:00.000+01:00I would like to know if there are any interesting ...I would like to know if there are any interesting variants in that Markan manuscript that we should be aware of... :) textual affinities, anyone?Timo Flinknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-79765531350692760022009-04-25T11:38:00.000+01:002009-04-25T11:38:00.000+01:00Dan, thanks for the reply. I did say that if you w...Dan, thanks for the reply. I did say that if you were not in that other institution (Byzantine Museum), it meant that you must have located some new MSS. My <I>Liste</I> is at the office but I remember the National Historial Museum didn't have that many catalogued.<br /><br />Anyway, congratulations and good luck! And I think we all understand the secrecy. At the same time, that gives blogs like this something to phantasize and speculate about; hope you don't mind.Tommy Wassermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674769923361035721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-37135340846611152562009-04-24T17:40:00.000+01:002009-04-24T17:40:00.000+01:00I suspect that the reason you, Tommy, thought we h...I suspect that the reason you, Tommy, thought we had discovered a new Matthew MS was because you were placing us at the wrong Athens institute. Sorry, this one's catalogued. And the Revelation MS is quite young as far as Greek MSS go: 17th century. But it does have the Andreas commentary.<br /><br />The reason we have to be somewhat secretive of the names of the institutes where we are working is because we are in negotiations with them about posting the images online. Once we have a contract signed, though, then we have no problem mentioning their name. Surely other scholars can understand that! Since we just signed the contract with our most recent institute today, we can mention it: The National Historical Museum. <br /><br />Also, we cannot tell others details about uncatalogued MSS that we have not yet photographed, for the same reasons. The last thing we want is to jinx the operation because word gets out ahead of time. Believe me, CSNTM has been rejected more than once because of this sort of thing--even after it looked as though the negotiations were going fine. <br /><br />Regarding the majuscule palimpsest of Mark which we discovered in Constantinople, the scholarly report on that was written up four years ago. I was not the one to write it, but I have contacted the author to see how soon he will post it. Because we are dealing with partial data, there has been some reticence on our part to post the essay. <br /><br />But just to make sure we're clear on the date-range on this MS: Although the initial estimates were 3rd-4th century (one person incorrectly thought we said as early as 2nd century!), there is some evidence that it may be more recent. Our best estimates right now are 3rd to 7th century. I wish that we could be more specific than that, but any final estimate of the date will have to await a reexamination of the MS and photography with UV light or even Multi-Spectral Imaging. My best guess right now is that the MS is 4th or 5th century. When we can get the paper online, you'll see the whole story. <br /><br />I wish I could mention all 23 uncatalogued MSS in Athens that we examined/photographed this time in Athens, but 14 of them will have to wait till next year (because we're still in negotiations with the institute).<br /><br />Daniel B. WallaceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-61956565024181360602009-04-24T17:31:00.000+01:002009-04-24T17:31:00.000+01:00You mean this is the revelation :-)You mean this is the revelation :-)Tommy Wassermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674769923361035721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-75849271082242741042009-04-24T16:43:00.000+01:002009-04-24T16:43:00.000+01:00I told you all back on the thread for this trip th...I told you all back on the thread for this trip that they had something big, and someone joked that it was a pastry. I wasn't joking, because it appears that this is it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-71259915557715482192009-04-24T11:09:00.000+01:002009-04-24T11:09:00.000+01:00I have the impression that the dating of that part...I have the impression that the dating of that particular MS was a bit too optimistic, but that is only hearsay. I too look forward to the scholarly report.Tommy Wassermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674769923361035721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-80906427775172707822009-04-24T10:31:00.000+01:002009-04-24T10:31:00.000+01:00I wonder how the CSNTM team are doing at producing...I wonder how the CSNTM team are doing at producing a scholarly report on their "discoveries" over the last few years. I am still waiting for any news of the III-IV Century (as claimed) palimpsest of Mark they found in Constantinople in May 2004.Peter M. Headhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379103292621457026noreply@blogger.com