tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post4134747417723570820..comments2024-03-29T07:11:17.775+00:00Comments on Evangelical Textual Criticism: TC Discussion List Inflation?P.J. Williamshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04388225485348300613noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-950382348496756562007-12-31T21:14:00.000+00:002007-12-31T21:14:00.000+00:00In my experience, I've found Wieland Wilker to be ...In my experience, I've found Wieland Wilker to be very short-leashed on arguments based on larger context and flow of the text, making me wish for some more leeway.<BR/><BR/>However, I really like his textual commentary on the gospels.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>issues such as how one reading or another fits contextuallyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-70642617479346387312007-12-31T15:34:00.000+00:002007-12-31T15:34:00.000+00:00Personally I think some rules and moderation are n...Personally I think some rules and moderation are necessary. I remember on the old list that one after the other left the list when the moderators became less active and the list-server broke down occasionally. The reasons why they left (that I can think of) were:<BR/><BR/>a) too much endless apologetic discussions about TR-only, Matthew written in Hebrew, and similar subjects, with arguments on a low level (I do not count scholarly defence of the Byzantine priority position). This is not a big problem for me, because I simply don't read the messages (but I know a lot of folks that got tired and left);<BR/>b) very heated debates turning into ad hominem attacks allowed because of lack of moderation during the latter days of the list. For example, I remember one guy stubbornly (and singularly) defending Comfort and Barrett's flawed edition causing a lot of angry reactions until he left the list for good (today he is very active on his biblioblog);<BR/><BR/>c) technical problems with bouncing messages, etc. (I have this problem today with Wieland's list. I frequently become unsubscribed after a while, because messages to my e-mail bounce off)Tommy Wassermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674769923361035721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-25443654590006803262007-12-31T01:18:00.000+00:002007-12-31T01:18:00.000+00:00Quoting from Message #1 on Wieland Willker's textu...Quoting from Message #1 on Wieland Willker's textualcriticism group:<BR/><BR/>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/textualcriticism/message/1<BR/><BR/>Wieland says:<BR/><BR/>"[This discussion group] is meant as a temporary replacement for the TC-list, which is not working properly anymore. . . . To make thinks short, there will be only one rule: If something escalates I will intervene."<BR/><BR/>I posted something on cladistics in 2004 when the list started and I've been banned ever since. In my own experience, at least, Wieland has broken his one and only rule. (Obviously he has many others that he has failed to mention but enforces, nevertheless.)<BR/><BR/>The new list has an actual rationale and guidelines and seeks to enforce them.<BR/><BR/>I hope that those who faithfully contribute to the great discussions here at ETC will consider contributing to the new tclist. Without the participation and interaction of academic professionals with students and laymen (like myself), the new tclist will not be profitable.<BR/><BR/>Discussion groups have a unique function (as Tommy has already mentioned). They allow discussion to be initiated by any member.<BR/><BR/>Also, it is hoped that a moderator consortium may be established for the new tclist before the end of January, consisting of those with credentials in the field of OT and NT TC. They will help guide discussion and keep the list informative.<BR/><BR/>Jonathan C. Borland<BR/>Owner, tclistjonathanclarkborlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18431934145706816380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-69978843479137056372007-12-30T01:27:00.000+00:002007-12-30T01:27:00.000+00:00About the TC-Alternate list: probably no one here...About the TC-Alternate list: probably no one here at ETC would like it. It fills a niche for relatively unrestricted discussion -- a sort of "Speaker's Corner" about (mainly NT) textual criticism. As co-moderator there, I operate as a sort of policeman -- just keeping things focused and civil, not necessarily sensible and well-informed (though I try to do that sometimes, too, as a participant).<BR/><BR/>TC-Alternate is very different from the textualcriticism list, because at TC-Alternate anyone can propose almost anything. This means that all sorts of bad and bizarre ideas can be hawked there -- which can be a good thing, allowing naked emperors to have their grand parade. It also gives pioneering ideas -- as well as challenges to "assured results" -- a fair playing field on which to be expressed and defended. <BR/><BR/>TC-Alternate is not an academic list, and quite a few of the conversations there are only worthwhile for one or two people. But think about some of the great pioneering textual critics of yesteryear: Scrivener, Hoskier, J. Rendel Harris, A.C. Clark. If they were to be transported to today, TC-Alternate might be the only current online discussion-list that would provide a platform for all their ideas. <BR/><BR/>Anyway, I suspect that a niche exists for the new tclist: it is almost sure to be more scholarly than TC-Alternate, while allowing much more investigation (and promotion) of the Byzantine Priority view than the textualcriticism list.<BR/><BR/>Yours in Christ,<BR/><BR/>James Snapp, Jr.<BR/>Curtisville Christian Church<BR/>Tipton, Indiana (USA)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-50822912409103223032007-12-29T23:15:00.000+00:002007-12-29T23:15:00.000+00:00well pleaded I admit :-)well pleaded I admit :-)Tommy Wassermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674769923361035721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-13980557314540285282007-12-29T22:26:00.000+00:002007-12-29T22:26:00.000+00:00I think you're right about your two points, though...I think you're right about your two points, though the team blogging aspect of ETC can ameliorate your first point somewhat (and to a certain extent, the second), if at least one of the team members is good at starting discussions based on comments in the discussion section.Stephen C. Carlsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18239379955876245197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-80982378164385272282007-12-28T21:41:00.000+00:002007-12-28T21:41:00.000+00:00Stephen, I agree that the advent of blogs also com...Stephen, I agree that the advent of blogs also comes into play and must affect discussion lists, but there are major differences between a blog and a discussion list. I come to think of two: First, only the blogger/s can initiate a discussion (if there is a comment section). Secondly, a discussion list is very good for making all sorts of inquiries, some of which I personally would perhaps not post on a blog (like this one). There are probably other differences. What are your own experiences, since I know you have been active in both spheres?Tommy Wassermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674769923361035721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-82072853866480614542007-12-28T19:15:00.000+00:002007-12-28T19:15:00.000+00:00The good old days of the old tclist was before the...The good old days of the old tclist was before the advent of the blogs. Nowadays a good blog post on a blog with a robust comment section (like this one) performs much of the same functions the old tclist used to do.Stephen C. Carlsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18239379955876245197noreply@blogger.com