tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post2928951646933731439..comments2024-03-28T00:45:18.442+00:00Comments on Evangelical Textual Criticism: Lists of Greek New Testament Manuscripts on WikipediaP.J. Williamshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04388225485348300613noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-4026203503138361252022-07-01T03:08:04.715+01:002022-07-01T03:08:04.715+01:00Someone should add to Wikipedia pages for Minuscul...Someone should add to Wikipedia pages for Minuscules 1010, 1175, 1704, 1780, and 1881. They seem pretty important to be without. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-55335849725678816052017-09-07T14:24:13.315+01:002017-09-07T14:24:13.315+01:00Ok, I see what you were saying. I have not touched...Ok, I see what you were saying. I have not touched any of the pages dedicated to individual manuscripts, only the pages of lists. Darrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05514916694063974131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-39438072443335924402017-09-07T05:04:52.777+01:002017-09-07T05:04:52.777+01:00Oh, ok. Yes, it's correct on the wiki page lis...Oh, ok. Yes, it's correct on the wiki page listing all the NT majuscules. But the individual page of Uncial 0243 still has no mention of the leaves of Hebrews.<br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncial_0243Jeff Catenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-65954255749489808082017-09-04T18:51:51.215+01:002017-09-04T18:51:51.215+01:00Thank you for this work. An amazing amount of lab...Thank you for this work. An amazing amount of labor, for you Darrel and all the scholars documenting and archiving this info. It is helpful for all of us.the preachers galhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14209476672265389651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-8078135289315246802017-09-04T16:30:44.995+01:002017-09-04T16:30:44.995+01:00I believe I have updated the wiki page for all of ...I believe I have updated the wiki page for all of the papyri to show exact content, as well as most of the majuscules. The minuscule manuscript listings display at least what is displayed on the K-Liste, and for many of them the content is more specific. This is still a work in progress, but I invite you to click on the links and see the updates. <br /><br />Darrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05514916694063974131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-66206486753203363982017-09-04T16:20:52.493+01:002017-09-04T16:20:52.493+01:00One thing I've noticed about wikipedia listing...One thing I've noticed about wikipedia listings is that they often refer to "a manuscript of the New Testament" without ever listing the actual contents.The White Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06732782601569135839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-77455702952615414042017-09-04T13:36:48.520+01:002017-09-04T13:36:48.520+01:00Yes--just did so. Yes--just did so. Darrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05514916694063974131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-19190125712261974642017-09-04T08:16:44.983+01:002017-09-04T08:16:44.983+01:00Darrell, will you notify the INTF?Darrell, will you notify the INTF?Tommy Wassermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674769923361035721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-36869412750019759382017-09-04T02:44:25.319+01:002017-09-04T02:44:25.319+01:00Jairo, you are correct. Good catch. The two GA num...Jairo, you are correct. Good catch. The two GA numbers have the same shelf number at the Walters Art Museum, same page count and same height/width. I marked the wiki entries for each showing the equality between the two. If the INTF merges them, then I will blank out the entry for the number they dropped. Darrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05514916694063974131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-65963794536007989992017-09-04T01:28:57.868+01:002017-09-04T01:28:57.868+01:00Excellent job. I would say that 647 == 2371. Pleas...Excellent job. I would say that 647 == 2371. Please check it.<br /><br /> With kind regards,<br /><br /> Jairo Cavalcante Filho<br /><br /> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03768264208772041380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-61754278577408221812017-09-02T15:16:11.549+01:002017-09-02T15:16:11.549+01:00James, Wikipedia done well should be laced with fo...James, Wikipedia done well should be laced with footnotes and links to good sources. As such, I have added about 1000 such references to the manuscript pages, and am planning to add more. For instance, I will add a reference to any hosting institution with a web page providing information about a manuscript they own. If I can find all the articles for the issue you raised regarding 2579, I would certainly be interested in presenting the wiki information based on the most accurate information available. By default I followed the K-Liste information unless I found something more accurate that I could reference (like I did with 2324 and 2771).Darrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05514916694063974131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-12997291630745878762017-09-02T13:39:25.001+01:002017-09-02T13:39:25.001+01:002579 is one where I don’t know what “fixed” would ...2579 is one where I don’t know what “fixed” would count as for Wikipedia’s purposes. It’s been an unfortunate game of Chinese whispers in terms of cataloguing. Sickenberger (Titus von Bostra, p70f) identified Milan D 466 Inf. (Mt), D 161 Inf (Mk), D 298 Inf (Lk), and D 282 Inf (Jn) as having been copied from 138, and noted that the John volume is dated by colophon to 9 June 1612. Scrivener had previously numbered the Mark, John, and Luke volumes as codices 458, 459, and 460 of the Gospels respectively, but neither he nor Miller assigned a number for the Matthew volume, and Gregory marked all three as “zu tilgen” when he reformed the list. Gregory did, however, summarize Sickenberger’s conclusion in his Prolegomena to Tischendorf, grouping the four volumes with a brace and the note “Evv saec. XVII ex codice aliquo Vaticano exscripta”. Aland re-added 2579 to the Liste, or rather he added the Matthew and Mark volumes, paleographically redated them as XVI, and noted (as “Vgl.“=cf!) the Luke and John volumes in a footnote citing “Tischendorf” (really Gregory). It’s easy to see how this ended up being not quite right in the Liste, but it’s hard to know how Wikipedia should record it – base the article for the manuscript directly off Sickenberger (who gets it right), but repeat the official Liste’s Chinese whispers in the list article (even though it’s patently wrong)?James Dowdenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11058389162481491681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-63897842775940896912017-09-02T13:37:56.761+01:002017-09-02T13:37:56.761+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.James Dowdenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11058389162481491681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-54479992467396170452017-09-01T19:28:50.916+01:002017-09-01T19:28:50.916+01:00Thanks Jeff, I totally agree. My aim with this upd...Thanks Jeff, I totally agree. My aim with this update to the wiki pages was to provide an attractive entry point for students and the curious who may then be drawn deeper into study. By providing so many direct links to images and institutions, my hope is increased interest and traffic at the INTF, CSNTM, and other hosting web pages. <br /><br />Could you double-check 0243? My check just now indicates that I had updated it to show the 2 leaves in Hamburg. <br /><br />But I welcome any corrections. I am still finding things that could be fixed. Darrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05514916694063974131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-47744463140664110192017-09-01T19:20:34.793+01:002017-09-01T19:20:34.793+01:00Good work, Darrell. It's always good to correc...Good work, Darrell. It's always good to correct and clarify to prevent misinformation, especially on a website so popular as wikipedia. The problem with wikipedia is that there is so much information in there that it's almost impossible to fact check all of it... and if some of it is incorrect, it's hard to know which parts are reliable and which aren't. For example, the information of 0243 is only partial and misleading. It correctly describes the 7 leaves of 1 & 2 Cor at Biblioteca Nazionoale Marciana in Italy... but it fails to mention the 2 leaves of Hebrews 1-4, 12-13 in Hamburg, Germany. Or at least, I assume the info on the INTF VMR is correct about this, not wikipedia. (Occasionally, even the VMR has some incorrect info... but more so about location of mss and such... not so much the leaves or text.) Nonetheless, good work. But for scholars, wikipedia should not be a source for reliable information... just general information. Just my 2 cents worth.Jeff Catenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-44650415207714812752017-09-01T16:21:51.319+01:002017-09-01T16:21:51.319+01:00I also updated many of the institution names on th...I also updated many of the institution names on the wiki pages so they would be more meaningful to those newly interested in NT manuscripts. For instance, 'Joannu' is replaced with 'Monastery of Saint John the Theologian.'<br /><br />Similarly I translated into English many of the institution names, providing brevity and clarity. <br /><br />I have also sought to update the shelf numbers with more precise information as given by the institutions.Darrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05514916694063974131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-19256862362197808802017-09-01T15:47:07.484+01:002017-09-01T15:47:07.484+01:00My color image count of 553 of 2,775 on the minusc...My color image count of 553 of 2,775 on the minuscule page is now a few weeks old. I have since located a few dozen more. <br /><br />Darrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05514916694063974131noreply@blogger.com