tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post2872463900532592133..comments2024-03-28T00:45:18.442+00:00Comments on Evangelical Textual Criticism: New Film: ‘Fragments of Truth’P.J. Williamshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04388225485348300613noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-20934171096446193832019-11-07T18:15:22.173+00:002019-11-07T18:15:22.173+00:00Didn't Evans give FCM a lot of credibility?Didn't Evans give FCM a lot of credibility?sp1ke0kill3rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02061770610850492018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-12082737588160268162018-04-24T17:46:49.798+01:002018-04-24T17:46:49.798+01:00Does it?Does it?StOngeAlexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05186112828183505215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-71573393973133645252018-03-30T17:47:58.419+01:002018-03-30T17:47:58.419+01:00Looking Forward to seeing this, wish there was mor...Looking Forward to seeing this, wish there was more than 1 showing, but I understand. Everything cost money!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01340972848535774043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-35989801954199325542018-03-30T04:50:06.065+01:002018-03-30T04:50:06.065+01:00Maurice, did Wallace give any updates about the fi...Maurice, did Wallace give any updates about the first century Mark fragment when he was on your campus?Jacob McGrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17333317980505363259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-7388031847693779472018-03-14T01:02:32.523+00:002018-03-14T01:02:32.523+00:00Hi James
Thanks for your clarifications. Sensitive...Hi James<br />Thanks for your clarifications. Sensitive topic when we are talking about large passages of the Bible that may or may not be original - especially for Evangelicals.<br /><br />Michael ClarkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-47868545965352547822018-03-14T00:59:39.213+00:002018-03-14T00:59:39.213+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Pam Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16127602903080050967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-69477921385892536392018-03-13T19:27:04.063+00:002018-03-13T19:27:04.063+00:00Evans will be on our campus in one week (20 March)...Evans will be on our campus in one week (20 March). Many of us here are waiting with Great Expectations that the big reveal will finally arrive at that time, and we shall find out what the Dickens is going on.<br /><br />Not that I expect anything of the sort to come to pass...Maurice A. Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05685965674144539571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-38128051562670633902018-03-13T16:33:07.079+00:002018-03-13T16:33:07.079+00:00Since Dan Wallace mentioned the fragment of Mark s...Since Dan Wallace mentioned the fragment of Mark supposedly coming from the first century in his debate with Bart Ehrman, he has has many of us waiting in anticipation for some published material on this. Not sure if this is what Craig Evans means by "groundbreaking new evidence". I hope it is.Tony Costahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02047179628074471186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-39297423790310030992018-03-13T01:45:40.487+00:002018-03-13T01:45:40.487+00:00Ken Temple,
I'm nor sure if that preceded or ...Ken Temple, <br />I'm nor sure if that preceded or followed, but the subject has been addressed by J. Warner Wallace -- <br /><br />http://coldcasechristianity.com/2016/can-we-construct-the-entire-new-testament-from-the-writings-of-the-church-fathers/<br /><br />It's a malleable statistic; quite a bit depends on if one uses exclusively Greek writings, and on whether the patristic writings involved are limited to the sub-apostolic age or if they include authors up to John of Damascus.<br /> <br />James Snapp Jrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09493891380752272603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-79260577481220019542018-03-13T01:35:57.980+00:002018-03-13T01:35:57.980+00:00Anonymous,
my approach is Equitable Eclecticism, ...Anonymous, <br />my approach is Equitable Eclecticism, not Byzantine Priority. (I reckon that the Byzantine Text includes a large ancient strata but is not original in all respects).<br /><br />If I wished to convey that someone was deliberately trying to deceive, I would call his statements "lies." Misinformation is just that, a statement which, if believed, renders its believer misinformed; no moral aspect of the informant's intent is implied one way or another. (Perhaps, in cases where people are trying to look as if they've done more research than they actually have, there /should/ be some observation about that. But I would rather focus on the evidence and just reduce the amount of inaccurate claims floating around.)<br /><br />James Snapp Jrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09493891380752272603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-43877970323325918362018-03-13T01:10:01.961+00:002018-03-13T01:10:01.961+00:00Hello James,
From what I can tell from your posts ...Hello James,<br />From what I can tell from your posts you seem to be in the camp of the "Majority Text." Fair enough. <br />The word "misinformation" tends to carry a negative connotation where one is deliberately trying to deceive or mislead. Is that the case here? What about those who reject or question these verses? A question not a comment.<br /><br />I will be watching as well. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-10729895111165326422018-03-12T16:07:18.616+00:002018-03-12T16:07:18.616+00:00FYI, there are some short videos of Evans here sho...FYI, there are some short <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qWjDNukfNE&list=PL38tsmd8CPgK_dPw1za_rkdvNml4NPOSa" rel="nofollow">videos of Evans here</a> shot during filming.Peter Gurryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10396444437216746412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-24823754816485195582018-03-12T12:50:43.133+00:002018-03-12T12:50:43.133+00:00Has anyone responded to this claim by a Muslim?
h...Has anyone responded to this claim by a Muslim?<br /><br />http://www.aricr.org/ar/hunting/can-we-really-restore-the-original-new-testament-through-patristic-citations/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-20435450705049531192018-03-11T04:47:19.842+00:002018-03-11T04:47:19.842+00:00Well . . .I'll be watching.
Speaking of the i...Well . . .I'll be watching.<br /><br />Speaking of the importance of truthfulness when describing manuscript-evidence: <br /><br />Dr. Evans wrote, about Mark 16:9-20, “Many of the older manuscripts have asterisks and obeli marking off the Long or Short Endings as spurious or at least doubtful,” and that Mk. 16:9-20 “were added at least two centuries after Mark first began to circulate." <br /><br />Yes; I'll be watching closely, since, it seems, nobody else around here cares enough to attempt to correct him when he spreads misinformation.<br /><br />James Snapp Jrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09493891380752272603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-90100359002685180872018-03-10T23:03:39.238+00:002018-03-10T23:03:39.238+00:00Why not? The "Truth about Fragments" is ...Why not? The "Truth about Fragments" is very simple: <br /><br />(1) For the most part the fragments confirm the reliability of the basic NT text as established from more complete MSS in the various published editions. <br /><br />(2) Even when the fragments differ from those editions, most of the time the differences can be chalked up to error, insignificance, or various other matters that reflect non-originality.<br /><br />(3) Even if the fragments predate the more complete later MSS, at best they provide a <i>terminus a quo</i> for the readings they contain, while generally establishing nothing in particular regarding the original or <i>Ausgangstext</i> as determined among the various scholarly editions.<br /><br />Even so with "ancient Mark"...should it ever come to light. Maurice A. Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05685965674144539571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-6477218203072941612018-03-10T12:12:07.489+00:002018-03-10T12:12:07.489+00:00Perhaps the ms of Mark is genuine and quite early;...Perhaps the ms of Mark is genuine and quite early; I don't know.<br /><br />I'm reminded of the so-called "Angel Scroll" partly published, based on a claimed transcription, in Jerusalem Report, October 11, 1999. We never got to see the putative ms. Probably fake. One odd aspect was a weird provenance claim that it was bought and kept secretly by Benedictines. I wonder if that story was influenced by the 1972 Frederick Wiseman film, "Essene" and maybe E. B. Szekely's "Essene" books.<br /><br />Another ms that I have doubts about is the mixed language, mixed genre "Gabriel Vision," ink on (undatable) stone--said to be from Jordan. The Angel Scroll was said to be from Jordan too, and the text also claims the vision happened there. This may be merely a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy, but I note that De Vaux excavated in Qumran a Hebrew religious text inked on limestone. Though it is smaller and fragmentary, it, KhQ 2207, was uncovered in locus 129 on 26 Feb, 1955 and published in 2003 (before "Gabriel"), pp. 360-362 in Lemaire, A. 2003 Inscriptions du Khirbeh, des grottes et de ʻAïn Feshkha. Pp. 341-88 in Khirbet Qumrân et de Khirbet Qumrân et ʻAïn Feshkha. II. etudes d’anthropologie, de physique et de chimie, eds. J.-B. Humbert and J. Gunneweg. Fribourg: Academic Press.<br />A book, Splendide Mendax: Rethinking Fakes...takes the view that some are interesting nonetheless. A brief review is at amazon.Stephen Goransonhttp://people.duke.edu/~goranson/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-49426967594428881032018-03-10T10:53:45.239+00:002018-03-10T10:53:45.239+00:00He said "to separate fact from fiction, sober...He said "to separate fact from fiction, sober scholarship from sensationalism." That rules out 'first-century Mark' and any other things we only know about through rumors and hearsay.Elijah Hixsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05816323223305820788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-31235149902076585772018-03-10T10:27:23.520+00:002018-03-10T10:27:23.520+00:00I hope the "Fragments of Truth" does not...I hope the "Fragments of Truth" does not necessitate a "Truth about Fragments" rejoinder on the part of TC scholars.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10188593073548835148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-51442535255855409662018-03-10T10:17:22.610+00:002018-03-10T10:17:22.610+00:00For "groundbreaking new evidence" read, ...For "groundbreaking new evidence" read, "first century Mark!?"Benjaminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02909188430840299000noreply@blogger.com