tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post2867016183673335800..comments2024-03-17T17:46:24.354+00:00Comments on Evangelical Textual Criticism: NT Papyri from OxyrhynchusP.J. Williamshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04388225485348300613noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-82648909871597626912020-11-02T08:25:03.242+00:002020-11-02T08:25:03.242+00:00Hi guys. Does anyone know if P.Oxy 4844 includes 1...Hi guys. Does anyone know if P.Oxy 4844 includes 1 Corinthians 15:4 (specially the word "Third" or "Trite" in verse 4)??? I heard that the there was lacuna present, but not sure if that lacuna pertained to verse 4 as a whole or the word "third", or if that lacuna did not affect verse 4 at all... Thank you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-60520788166120359902010-08-25T00:38:23.810+01:002010-08-25T00:38:23.810+01:00In addition to a fragment of Romans, a check of Mi...In addition to a fragment of Romans, a check of Michael Theophilos's entry at Australian Catholic University shows there is another fragment from Oxyrhynchus that was discussed back in 2008, "A New Fragment of Romans from Oxyrhynchus".<br /><br />Again, does anybody know any details?<br /><br />Matthew HamiltonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-87866907777654052612010-08-25T00:18:20.228+01:002010-08-25T00:18:20.228+01:00A week late but I just remembered from the SBL 201...A week late but I just remembered from the SBL 2010 program "A New Fragment of Romans from Oxyrhynchus", Michael Theophilos, Australian Catholic University.<br /><br />Was anybody at SBL 2010 and if so, could they provide any details - eg: papyrus or parchment?<br /><br />Matthew HamiltonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-52294781708535760802010-08-16T22:49:31.774+01:002010-08-16T22:49:31.774+01:00For the record (from another footnote): parchment ...For the record (from another footnote): parchment texts from Oxy: 069 (P. Oxy 3); 071 (P. Oxy 401); 0162 (P. Oxy 847); 0163 (P. Oxy 848); 0169 (P. Oxy 1080); 0170 (P. Oxy 1169); 0172 (PSI 4); 0173 (PSI 5); 0174 (PSI 118); 0176 (PSI 251); 0206 (P. Oxy 1353); 0308 (P. Oxy 4500).Peter M. Headhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379103292621457026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-60247682090959014222010-08-16T17:16:00.023+01:002010-08-16T17:16:00.023+01:00Re: 0206: my reading is that Dan Barker has argued...Re: 0206: my reading is that Dan Barker has argued that this could be dated earlier, or in the range II-IV, not that it definitely is earlier than IV.Peter M. Headhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379103292621457026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-80950359644260712702010-08-16T17:14:38.323+01:002010-08-16T17:14:38.323+01:00Anonymous said:
"The question ought to be abo...Anonymous said:<br />"The question ought to be about the manuscripts, not about the papyri (specify whether they are are all codices) to the exclusion of parchment codices. A list of ancient manuscripts found at Oxyrhynchus would be more useful than a list of papyri."<br /><br />I agree with your comments, and have said exactly the same thing in a paper from which this is a small excerpt. Of course if the question is: 'tell us about NT papyri from Oxyrhynchus' then this list is a good answer!Peter M. Headhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379103292621457026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-12722499575535270152010-08-16T17:11:37.469+01:002010-08-16T17:11:37.469+01:00Thanks Matthew for mentioning those two. Not secur...Thanks Matthew for mentioning those two. Not secure though. (On the other hand, neither is P127 acc. to the editors).Peter M. Headhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379103292621457026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-55178411513179184522010-08-16T11:59:56.073+01:002010-08-16T11:59:56.073+01:00For the anonymous "amonymous" person reg...For the anonymous "amonymous" person regarding parchment NT MSS from Oxyrhynchus, here are the earliest ones (sorry, don't know about later ones)<br />0206 (P.Oxy.1353), I Peter 5:5-13, 4th century, but Don Barker apparently has (apparently) recently dated it earlier<br />0308 (P.Oxy.4500), Rev.11:15-18, 4th century, but dated as 3rd-4th century in LDAB.<br /><br />What is interesting, and I don't know if it has been discussed in the literature, is why the ratio of parchment to papyrus NT MSS from Oxyrhynchus is so low compared to the ratio of parchment to papyrus NT MSS found at all other sites in Egypt.<br /><br />Matthew HamiltonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-55226907086947237512010-08-16T11:21:09.869+01:002010-08-16T11:21:09.869+01:00The question ought to be about the manuscripts, no...The question ought to be about the manuscripts, not about the papyri (specify whether they are are all codices) to the exclusion of parchment codices. A list of ancient manuscripts found at Oxyrhynchus would be more useful than a list of papyri. <br /><br />The persistent focus of NT scholars on the material rather than the manuscript is difficult to understand (we're talking about Egypt in late antiquity, not in the middle ages), and can be misleading, especially when non-specialists are involved (and in our case these are numerous, to say the least). Of course parchment fragments from Oxyrhynchus/Egypt can be tracked down in various repertories, but pride of place goes to the papyri. Yet for textual purposes a papyrus codex (say) of the sixth century doesn't possess qualities that a parchment codex of this date doesn't have. They are all manuscripts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-176218388456685592010-08-15T23:56:53.653+01:002010-08-15T23:56:53.653+01:00Two other possible papyri:
P32, Titus. Hunt though...Two other possible papyri:<br />P32, Titus. Hunt thought it was probably from Oxyrhynchus.<br />P52, John. Roberts thought it was possibly from Oxyrhynchus.<br /><br />Matthew HamiltonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-57314012191891112102010-08-15T19:48:55.185+01:002010-08-15T19:48:55.185+01:00Re Turretin's question: yes basically, it is j...Re Turretin's question: yes basically, it is just that P30 has bits from both 1 and 2 Thessalonians, so that seemed to be the clearest way to list them.Peter M. Headhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379103292621457026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-31211074728615245022010-08-15T14:08:37.265+01:002010-08-15T14:08:37.265+01:00I have an off topic question. Does anyone know whe...I have an off topic question. Does anyone know where I can find Origen's text for Colossians 4:15 (Nympha or Nymphas)?<br /> Metzger mentions him in his Textual Commentary, but my searching in the Patrologia Graeca did not yield anything. The TLG E does not contain anything either.<br /> If anyone can help, please drop a line. Many thanks.<br /> Emanuel Contac, RomaniaEmanuel Contachttp://vaisamar.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-70484523910192919962010-08-14T17:03:42.884+01:002010-08-14T17:03:42.884+01:00Scott,
They are ALL fragments. These were, after a...Scott,<br />They are ALL fragments. These were, after all, dug out of a landfill.Daniel Bucknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-46326700740634088372010-08-14T16:35:08.249+01:002010-08-14T16:35:08.249+01:00Thanks for this very helpful listing. Of course, ...Thanks for this very helpful listing. Of course, some of the "copies" you mention are fragments. For example, P.Oxy. 4934 (P125) is a very lacunose leaf containing 1 Pet 1:23-2:5 (recto) and 2:7-12 (verso). Digital images for more recently published papyri are available online at the Oxyrhyncus site. To my knowledge, transcriptions are only available in the Egypt Exploration Society's annual Oxyrhyncus volume.Scott Caulleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-15619080256292580202010-08-14T12:17:15.537+01:002010-08-14T12:17:15.537+01:00I would note that P21 (POxy 1227) has recently gon...I would note that P21 (POxy 1227) has recently gone online at the Muhlenbery College library site:<br /><br />http://www.muhlenberg.edu/library/papyri/welcome.html<br /><br />Their other holding of the POxy materials are also online. The photography is not as hi-res as I would like--nothing near what Dan Wallace is doing these days, but most is readable, if small. My own amateur photos of P21 may be a bit better than the ones now posted:<br /><br />http://ntresources.com/classes/p21.htm<br /><br />These were taken when photos were still allowed. On my last trip there with a text crit class we were told that photos were no longer allowed because they were scheduled to be digitized and posted.Rod Deckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17521333817382327983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-76615858974599130802010-08-14T02:33:46.827+01:002010-08-14T02:33:46.827+01:00Is there a reason you've listed "1 Thessa...Is there a reason you've listed "1 Thessalonians, 1&2 Thessalonians"? Is there one copy of 1 Thessalonians by itself, and one copy of the pair?<br /><br />-TurretinFanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-52366527421663695392010-08-13T20:33:51.293+01:002010-08-13T20:33:51.293+01:00They haven't yet identified the supplement to ...They haven't yet identified the supplement to Aleph (01S) in Mark 14:54 – Luke 1:56--which would leave 2 of the 3 oldest mss of Mark lacunose at the end of the book.Daniel Bucknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-13853307961100469552010-08-13T18:32:19.792+01:002010-08-13T18:32:19.792+01:00This transcription does bring up a question, thoug...This transcription does bring up a question, though. I'm familiar with the T, Z, C, and V sigla, but what's the significance of the S I see affixed to 1739?<br /><br />Looking at the "manuscript description" field, I just answered my own question. It's apparently an abbreviation of supp; i.e., a portion of the mss in a later hand that doesn't have its own G-A #.Daniel Bucknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-18413823384532975352010-08-13T18:22:29.528+01:002010-08-13T18:22:29.528+01:00For some of the papyri, transcriptions are availab...For some of the papyri, transcriptions are available at<br />http://nttranscripts.uni-muenster.de/AnaServer?NTtranscripts+0+start.anv<br /><br />I see, for example, that is gives p18 in Revelation 1:4-7. You need to select the reference and the "Verse by Verse" field.Daniel Bucknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-56471681273077522832010-08-13T16:28:39.916+01:002010-08-13T16:28:39.916+01:00Thanks for this info, Peter. Any idea if transcrip...Thanks for this info, Peter. Any idea if transcriptions of all these papyri are available on-line?<br /><br />EdgarEDGAR EBOJOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18111602006275885787noreply@blogger.com