tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post1645890890790884702..comments2024-03-28T19:21:17.654+00:00Comments on Evangelical Textual Criticism: ‘Held in Honor’: The Roman Catholic View of Textual CriticismP.J. Williamshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04388225485348300613noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-52094308770011279962017-09-07T01:11:21.567+01:002017-09-07T01:11:21.567+01:00The modern Church has had its moments like the Ame...The modern Church has had its moments like the American bishops' decision to use "virgin" for 7:14 in defiance of their own translation committee. Like Frank said in the classic "Scarface", "Of course not everyone always follows the rules."JoeWallackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10666074795187377455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-32030118568657030642017-09-06T22:42:34.168+01:002017-09-06T22:42:34.168+01:00Yeah, I understand there is some debate among Cath...Yeah, I understand there is some debate among Catholics about whether the inerrancy clause in Dei Verbum is qualified. Brant Pietre gives a strong defense of a verbal plenary view of it in his essay in <em>The Sacred Text</em> (Gorgias Press) edited by Mike Bird. His argument was convincing to me, but, then again, his essay is my only real encounter with the debate.Peter Gurryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10396444437216746412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-44746157997482813182017-09-06T20:46:17.872+01:002017-09-06T20:46:17.872+01:00It would be no less interesting to know which are ...It would be no less interesting to know which are the models of perfection in textual criticism (" this branch of science has attained to such high perfection", "this art, which is called textual criticism and which is used with great and praiseworthy results in the editions of profane writings, is also quite rightly employed in the case of the Sacred Books [...].. For its very purpose is to insure that the sacred text be restored, as perfectly as possible, be purified from the corruptions due to the carelessness of the copyists". There is no room for Bédier 1929, who wasn't a developer of "rules so firmly established and secure, that it has become a most valuable aid to the purer and more accurate editing of the sacred text ". But who was the model? Dom Quentin (1926), with his readings, or Paul Maas (1927), with his indicative errors?Paolo Trovatonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-17407505871400366842017-09-06T20:24:24.870+01:002017-09-06T20:24:24.870+01:00I have read that within the Roman Catholic use of ...I have read that within the Roman Catholic use of the terminology, the term "inerrant" is reserved for Scripture, while the term "infallible" is reserved for the Church.<br /><br />However, when Dei Verbum (from Vatican II) says that Scripture does not err, it specifies that this is in teaching "that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings for the sake of salvation." I believe that this allows for a range of opinion that would include conservatives holding to a verbal plenary inerrancy, and others holding to a partial inerrancy that would not agree with what evangelicals usually mean when they use that term.<br /><br />Given RC theology, the distinction between inerrant Scripture and infallible Church makes sense to me, since "inerrant" merely indicates that it does not have errors, whereas infallible means that it is not capable of having them. And what Scripture says has already been said, but the Church may yet issue authoritative statements that have not yet been said, so it's not enough just to say that the Church hasn't erred so far, but also that it can't be susceptible to erring (of course this too would not be meant as an exhaustive claim about all the Church does, but limited to its authoritative proclamations in its role as magisterium).<br />Eric Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13379106188046530722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-72046858601476346762017-09-06T19:10:14.595+01:002017-09-06T19:10:14.595+01:00Indeed. It might well have included any of the edi...Indeed. It might well have included any of the editions behind Nestle's edition. But who knows.Peter Gurryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10396444437216746412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-37812733642973043412017-09-06T19:06:16.142+01:002017-09-06T19:06:16.142+01:00Pius XII: "This criticism, which some fifty y...Pius XII: "This criticism, which some fifty years ago not a few made use of quite arbitrarily and often in such wise that one would say they did so to introduce into the sacred text their own preconceived ideas."<br /><br />Given that this would have meant 1893 or thereabouts, one legitimately might wonder <i>which</i> "not a few" textual critics were considered by the RC church to have been arbitrary and/or biased in their reconstruction of the NT text. <br /><br />Would he have meant Westcott-Hort and their supporters? Burgon/Scrivener and their supporters? Or anyone who at that time departed from the "official" Latin Vulgate? Seems to be an interesting topic for further exploration.Maurice A. Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05685965674144539571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17859011.post-61895494329644135272017-09-06T15:02:49.924+01:002017-09-06T15:02:49.924+01:00Hi.
In the Document of the Pontifical Biblical Co...Hi. <br />In the Document of the Pontifical Biblical Commission “The Interpretation of the Bible in the Church" (April 23, 1993) in # I.A.3: appears:<br />«Textual criticism, as practiced for a very long time, begins the series of scholarly operations. Basing itself on the testimony of the oldest and best manuscripts, as well as of papyri, certain ancient versions and patristic texts, textual-criticism seeks to establish, according to fixed rules, a biblical text as close as possible to the original».<br />http://catholic-resources.org/ChurchDocs/PBC_Interp.htm<br /><br />Here you can find several Catholic Church Documents related to Biblical Studies<br />http://catholic-resources.org/ChurchDocs/<br />Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07579963192779115210noreply@blogger.com